tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4167684119478977136.post1271448038736880894..comments2024-03-22T08:23:38.715+00:00Comments on Trouble At T’Mill - a wargaming blog: Kickstarters and entitlementMike Whitakerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02165272678144625943noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4167684119478977136.post-88466782988633955752015-01-20T22:34:15.823+00:002015-01-20T22:34:15.823+00:00Check this one out. No stretch goals, no extras ju...Check this one out. No stretch goals, no extras just an interesting product form some very funny guys: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elanlee/exploding-kittens<br /><br />massively over funded btw.PatGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00379668269395518541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4167684119478977136.post-47368136585545055012015-01-20T16:03:45.592+00:002015-01-20T16:03:45.592+00:00I think one difficulty is that Kickstarter was ori...I think one difficulty is that Kickstarter was originally envisioned as "I would like to make this thing, I don't have the money to get started, please lend it to me rather than sending me to a bank for a startup loan which they won't give me, and I'll give you a thing as thanks", with the intention that the business might then become self-supporting off that initial money. Fair enough. What it's become all too often is a pre-order system: an established company says "we're going to do this anyway, but we want some of the cash up front". In the latter case it's only fair to expect a bit extra for your money compared with the retail customers: after all, you're paying early (maybe a year or more), and money has a time value (interest).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4167684119478977136.post-87896975950986529272015-01-19T19:48:53.615+00:002015-01-19T19:48:53.615+00:00An overinflated sense of entitlement is not limite...An overinflated sense of entitlement is not limited to kickstarter, it seems endemic these days. Phyllionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451215894349113521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4167684119478977136.post-80988882854004884502015-01-19T14:08:13.168+00:002015-01-19T14:08:13.168+00:00I couldn't agree more, the gaming side of Kick...I couldn't agree more, the gaming side of Kickstarter is, in fact, quite spoiled by the likes of CMoN and other larger players. If you peruse other areas you will rapidly find out that add-ons and stretch goals are almost non-existent. I'm also likely to rapidly pull out of anything that starts to add bunches of add-ons and stretch goals for exactly the reason mentioned by Ian. Unless it was carefully planned at the beginning (like Reaper does) then all of those things continue to add time to a delivery date that was only calculated on supplying the original concept not the extras. I also agree that to many supporters feel entitled to steep discounts on the price. The price should be carefully calculated by the creator to both fund his project and provide enough funds to keep going once everything has been delivered. There are more than a few instances where companies have started 2nd and even 3rd kickstarters because they miscalculated the 1st kickstarter and they are using the new ones to finish the old one.Heislerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825061407797980077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4167684119478977136.post-89524982389740907422015-01-19T12:41:37.116+00:002015-01-19T12:41:37.116+00:00I think the kickstarter should give an incentive a...I think the kickstarter should give an incentive above what you would get if you wait till it's available as you do have some risk and anyway why pay upfront when you can wait if nothing extra is offered?<br /><br />But no I don't see that you should expect the world. I was offered the world by Baker Company but the very excess of product was the thing that slowed it down, rushed the sculpting and ended up producing the lower quality product that pleased very few<br /><br />IanIanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17113835961977211021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4167684119478977136.post-756399531500771542015-01-19T12:23:58.045+00:002015-01-19T12:23:58.045+00:00Well said Mike. I've only backed two KS's ...Well said Mike. I've only backed two KS's but the way I see it is I'm giving my money to someone to produce a game a want to play. They are putting in the effort for my reward. Of course the designers etc will benefit It is after all their livelihood. If I don't like their vision I don't pay. If you like it support them don't criticise. MarkGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10931863014281720994noreply@blogger.com